BUT.....you can't permanently disable it? -- In the meantime, everything else still wor… My opinion. the difference is so insignificant its ridiculous. For more information on our Lincoln auto stop-start disable devices, contact us today. save. When the brake is applied and the vehicle is stopped, the engine temporarily turns off and automatically restarts as the brake is released. The computer knows the battery’s most important job is ensuring the engine starts. There are ways to permanently disable stop-start systems. Solar-reflective glass, certain refrigerants, and many other technologies earn automakers points towards their CAFE requirments. Tampering with the emissions control systems once a vehicle is certified for sale is a big deal. You can turn the stop-start system off altogether by using a button on the dashboard or near the steering wheel if you find it irritating. hide. Hence, the manufacturer cannot claim the same window sticker EPA mpg numbers unless they do so or benefit from the small CAFE ratings benefits it brings. I was wondering if it might be because I hardly use it or what other causes it might be. The battery management switches off the start-stop function The top priority for any battery is to start the engine. We asked the EPA if it was legal to do so. The EPA is not one to f with. I know the stop/start will only work when certain conditions are met etc, my question is a simple one... is it turned on automatically on starting the engine or do you have to turn the dial? Now all of a sudden its perfectly fine which I call BS. Obviously however the vehicle was certified by the EPA means that you cannot defeat any of those emission features. We often link to other websites, but we can't be responsible for their content. This applies to the start stop technology. Also, any loose vacuum hoses may cause a rough running engine. **how** is it illegal? Hi everyone, I was looking to buy a Ford KA and was wondering if you could turn off the start/stop feature on the car? Here’s our guess as to what would happen in three specific groups of scenarios:1) A Vehicle Owner Disables The Stop-Start System On Their Own We’ll just have to agree to disagree, John. Some of us don't blindly obey every inane regulation that comes out. You can also change the engine idling stop time between standard, and extended in … Once the driver puts pressure on the accelerator, then the engine turns back on. 3) A Dealer Offers to Disable Your Stop-Start System They could care less if your engine wears out faster, or that your starting system will require more repairs. John Goreham can be followed on Twitter at @johngoreham. It seems pretty clear that tampering with the emissions controls is a no-no regardless of who does it. Here are a few things you should know: Auto Start Stop will not shut your engine off at every stop if the engine is still warming up. We have Auto Zone, Advance Auto, and O'Reillys in the area that will check for stored codes. If the vehicle’s stop/start system is nonlatching and automatically turns on whenever you start the car, the EPA’s fuel-economy test results will be calculated only when the system is engaged. To date, the tampering and aftermarket defeat device cases EPA has resolved have generally included the complete removal of filters and catalysts that are essential for controlling emissions of oxides of nitrogen, particulate matter, and other tailpipe pollutants.”. Therefore every time I hit that button I’m committing a felony. Also, stop-start has value to automakers. I had to disable the VCM system on our Honda Odyssey because shutting down cylinders was causing engine damage. Starting system problems? On a 50 degree morning the stop start kicks in after about 3 to 4 blocks, warmer days and it kicks in at the end of my driveway. Let us be clear here that this story is not meant to cast the EPA in a poor light. Here is just part of what the Clean Air Act law says, "...For any person to remove or render inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under this subchapter prior to its sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser, or for any person knowingly to remove or render inoperative any such device or element of design after such sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser; or (B) for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to sell, or install, any part or component intended for use with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine, where a principal effect of the part or component is to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under this subchapter, and where the person knows or should know that such part or component is being offered for sale or installed for such use or put to such use...". To use their button each time I start it is crazy.. Excellent question. An example of Auto Start-Stop technology at work might be when you're sitting in a drive-thru waiting for a burger. "..any device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine." Have you checked your air filter? Auto Start-Stop on/off switch on center console of Ford Escape, 4th gen. I interpret it as saying that you cannot remove the switch. UTTER RUBBISH. The only downside is the check engine light stays on. Dealers act as official agents for the maintenance of emissions systems. I almost bought a CRV with auto stop. They should start opening their purse strings. Regulating the weight of ones shoe would have far more effect than this crap. You can always turn off the switch anytime you start your car, but if you feel it is too much of a burden, then you should apply some of the methods spoken about. I own the car and am not going to put up with an annoying system that some mechanics are claiming resorts in premature wear to several components - including timing belts/chains. I would discuss this with your service department. I bought my vehicle and the switch doesn't work. Random Acts of Kindness and All things Positive! But any lawyer who could pass the bar could abate this situation. This model has the auto-stop/start feature for the engine when you come to a stop (at a red light, etc.) That sounds like a Class Action lawsuit to me. Now you can view exclusive price savings on our Build & Price shopping tool. However, we are not EPA experts. They found a code....luckily I just needed a new gas cap. Where there is a will there is a way. When you stop at traffic lights or your car is idling in a queue, this technology can automatically switch off the engine while still supplying power to essentials like the headlights, air-conditioning, radio and the Ford SYNC system. The new Ford Ranger that just came out, well it has an automatic defeat for the stop/start when the truck is in 4 wheel-drive mode or when pulling a trailer....per Ford's own add copy. NO AUTO STOP START. I brought it back to dealer and they say nothing is wrong with my car. familiarise yourself with the latest version. Auto Start Stop System Amber. The auto start/stop is designed to be fully automatic, should not require any additional input from the driver other than moving your foot from the brake pedal to the gas pedal. The system works automatically but you can turn it off, if you wish. Minor inconvenience. We also specifically asked for some guidance on individual owners working alone, a local mechanic who charges to perform a stop-start disable service, a company that provides an override product for sale, and an official new car dealership offering such a product or service. -- Auto stop start sucks, it is bad for your car, it WILL cost you money in the long run......and it NEVER should have been installed in ANY car. Total BS and al it does is make the tree huggers feel better about them selves. If that is the case, a trailer that adds weight, stupid wings that increase drag or stickier tires that increase rolling resistance would be illegal. If you take 2 exact same cars, side by side...one driver uses the start/stop, but drives it like they stole it, the other turns the start/stop off but drives it like a little old lady going to church. Our opinion is “yes, it is illegal.” Just like removing your catalytic converter or using software to over-ride an emissions control system. Vehicle emissions are measured by the EPA in grams produced per mile driven. What should I do. I disabled mine and wrote to the EPA. Ford Ka - Stop Start Faulty. Conclusion: Is It Against the Law To Disable Your Stop-Start System? This thread is archived. The vehicle's emissions system is certified as a whole by the EPA. So we asked the EPA experts. I've not driven a car for years that has a 'knack' to starting it, you turn the key, they start. Now, after they do, it may not pass the individual state inspection, but it is not illegal. Also, some dealers may choose not to participate in A/Z Plan pricing. Will you get caught? The vehicle will be passed once the issue is solved and the code “cleared.” If you live in a state without emissions testing, who would ever know? Very easy touch screen programmer that anyone can use. Per vehicle. Always remember anyone can post on the MSE forums, so it can be very different from our opinion. Disable Auto Start-Stop on the Ford F-150 Permanently. I suspect grandma will still have enough gas to get the gas station in the next town while the other is sitting on the side of the road......out of gas. Stop-Start Engines - Can you turn it off? I like to do the easy stuff first. No more annoying Start/Stop in stop and go traffic! We asked the EPA if disabling a stop-start system would be considered a violation of the Clean Air Act or any other environmental regulation. But I hate that feature and would like to hear of ways to permanently turn it off after a purchase. Have your vehicle checked by an authorised dealer. It’s tempting to just kill the darn stop-start system. You should understand that these tips are given to make sure you find the most useful information with regards to disabling your auto start-stop function in your Ford Escape. It may also not shut off the engine if the battery is below a certain level, if, like Volvo’s system, the driver unfastens their seatbelt, or if you turn the air conditioning on. Stop-start reduces emissions. You may also disengage the Start-Stop system by checking the box in the Driver Interface screen, under “Settings”. Around here they do it for free. Missed the reply button. What we are talking about is a permanent override. Do you despise your car's stop-start system and want to disable the darn thing – permanently? I think my compatriots example sums it up well.. John, your reporting is timely, that’s not my concern. Ford KA Start/Stop - Can you turn it off? It does have the ability to disable start stop option for you. The media relations team at the EPA is super responsive, and always happy to help us when we request it. I have bought a 2012 Ford Ka Edge, with stop/start. It can be very frustrating when a vehicle won’t start.There are many different issues that can cause the problem. The fines for doing so are in the thousands of dollars. Area auto stores usually will check you OBD (onboard diagnostic) to see if you have any codes stored. We’re happy to answer your questions. If you did and then the engine started running badly, it could be the gas. They will never know I did it. Some are mechanical, some electrical in nature. However, the manual only states it can be disabled on a temporary basis by pushing a button on the dash each time the car is … The EPA offers automakers varying incentives for non-latching versions of Stop-start and versions that have no switch at all (Chevy Blazer for example). As soon as you touch the clutch to put the car in gear the car will start fast enough for you to take off without it being an issue. Auto Start-Stop can improve fuel efficiency, on average, by up to 3.5%* compared to a similar car without this feature. I have the stop start function on my Ka, although I nearly always turn it off, but if I do leave it on it isn't working. Auto STOP START.....is just a CHEAP way for the manufacturers of loose engines to meet EPA guidelines....sort of. Cars with stop-start use special batteries that can withstand constantly starting an engine. Thanks! Interesting observations. In my state of Massachusetts, if a code is found and relates to the emissions system the inspection is a fail. When you switch the system off, the switch will illuminate. I will defeat the start/stop in my 2020 Terrain Denali......until I do I just put it in L9 and the start/stop does not happen. To determine whether conduct amounts to illegal tampering or whether an aftermarket product is an illegal defeat device, the EPA would first need to investigate whether each element of the statutory prohibition has occurred. We all used to be told that frequent starts and stops wear out engines more than anything. Finally, if you really don’t like the technology, then get into the routine of turning it off with the button on the center console everytime you start the vehicle. In total, seven employees of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency joined the communication chain. Torque News would like to thank the EPA for its assistance in the creation of this story. However, if the battery only has a low charge, the Battery Management System (BMS) switches off the start-stop function to enable the engine to be started. Other Reclaiming: Mortgage Fees, Council Tax etc, Pensions, Annuities & Retirement Planning, Report Holiday Deals, Bargains & Special Offers, Martin's Blogs & Appearances & MoneySavingExpert in the News. Your car will react when you tell it to. Is your check engine light on? Yes if you do not feel like turning it off every time you can program it for an easier use. In addition, some vehicles, trims or options you select may not qualify for A/Z Plans. Stop-start reduces the grams of gases emitted per mile driven. I'm not really bothered as I think it is a nuisance anyway but just curious if anyone else has had any problems with it.  Thanks. These are corporations who act on a much larger scale than just you me and our local mechanic. SO....let me get this straight. The Clean Air Act has something to say about disabling any part of your automobile that has to do with its emissions. If so, removing that system or rendering it inoperative may amount to illegal tampering, and aftermarket parts and components that bypass, defeat, or render the system inoperative could amount to illegal defeat devices. O2 sensor needs replacement? It's definitely why I won't buy a GM vehicle ever again. This may have been run by the EPA when chasing CAFE, but the fact it can be disabled by the driver during the drive does not make it a binding EPA system like a catalytic converter. This according to mechanics who perform the inspection we spoke to. Certainly not a green light to go ahead and defeat that stop-start. Do I need stop start? Now you tell me the one with the start/stop on, is going to get better mileage and emit lower emissions than grandma. Stupid as it gets. We have heard many ways to disable the stop-start systems in today’s new vehicles. A similar protective mechanism operates in the following cases: For one, almost every car or truck with this system gives you the option to disable the auto start-stop function temporarily by pressing a button. EPA and the Clean Air Act Legality is. We reached out by both e-mail and phone. Because the switch is not "latching." The Auto Stop-Start or Engine Stop-Start (ESS) vehicle feature is designed by manufacturers to improve fuel economy while a vehicle is at rest. It is a fuel economy feature that is neither mandated by the government nor affect your exhaust gas composition in any way. Do note, while we always aim to give you accurate product info at the point of publication, unfortunately price and terms of products and deals can always be changed by the provider afterwards, so double check first. Here again, we think the EPA would take quick notice. Meaning that when you restart the vehicle, the switch defaults back to its "on position." Now it also has the ability for you to data log and view gauges. On GM's if you pull the connector that is in line with the hood latch sensor, it disables STOP/START. But the system comes back on again every time you restart the car. But these systems are designed to improve EPA mileage ratings not necessarily reduce total emissions. Yes, it is illegal? Unfortunately it caused expensive engine repairs - so I and every Ody owner I know have installed devices that disable the VCM system. Don’t expect coverage if you’ve tampered with the vehicle’s stop-start system. It tells me if something is wrong with the vehicle. 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There are really two main ways that a vehicle will not start. 2) A Company Develops, Offers For Sale, and Sells A Universal Stop-Start Device That benefit cosses you about $150 bucks for the module. Or don't start if it's my old Zafira VW did it recently. And we are not really sure we would jump on that if it was.” Our paraphrasing is not meant to be disrespectful. If you take 2 exact same cars, side by side...one driver uses the start/stop, but drives it like they stole it, the other turns the start/stop off but drives it like a little old lady going to church. Use less fuel with Auto-Start-Stop. Marcella, did you recently fill-up? We seriously doubt any would be bold enough to do this, but if they did, we’d expect a confrontation with some agency to germinate. If it illegal, why then do auto manufacturers offer a defeat switch on the dash for such purpose? It is NOT an emissions control device. Also certainly not a definitive, “Yes, we will send the SWAT team over if we find out anyone does this!” More along the lines of, “We are not really sure the stop-start even qualifies as an official emissions control system. We will see where it goes. Editor, Marcus Herbert, LIVE SIMPLY * GIVE MORE * EXPECT LESS * BE THANKFUL. System logic shuts off stop/start if the hood is open, so you "trick" it. But is the law any different for us regular Joe’s? WHAT THE HELL IS THE DIFFERENCE? report. The wording specifically states any modifications before delivery to the ultimate purchaser or for anyone to manufacture an item to defeat the system. Instead, you’re just left with the annoyance of your engine unexpectedly shutting off. Note the law's wording about what cannot be removed or rendered inoperative. It is hard to see how you would ever get caught unless the state you live in has an annual smog check during which they tap your OBD port and look for codes. Try driving with the auto start/stop turned off, must be turned off each time you first start the car. It's just because the manufactures get a break on Cafe standards by implementing this. After billions in fines and even jail sentences we thought we’d never hear anyone try that again. Our Autostop Eliminator auto start stop disable devices will work to keep auto start stop off until you want it back on. Ford Focus Econetic 88g - Switch off Start Stop on a Focus Econetic ? If it’s defeatable, is CAFE and not EPA. Then FCA America settled a suit over the same type of issue. It's a way to save gas when sitting at a light or in heavy traffic. Or maybe your battery needs checking. It's an engine/fuel saving behemoth that will make you glad you bought a model with its useful capabilities. But when a system clearly has safety issues, causes undo hardware failures, or causes mental anguish, the system should be illegal itself, and there should be a way to permanently disable it. As an entity. The reason many manufacturers do not offer a way to disable idle stop or have it revert back to on when the ignition is turn off is that the EPA will only include the idle stop benefits in the window sticker MPG figures if it is always enabled or reverts to enabled. EPA's Opinion On Stop-Start Disabling Legality But why should I care? You might swing by an auto parts and ask if they have this service and if it is free. Sure, some car makers allow you to turn it off. If the system detects a malfunction, it will switch off. You may also turn the S-S off with ForScan. SEEK FREE HELP FROM CHARITIES, http://www.ford.co.uk/OwnerServices/Owners-Manual?selectedYear=2012&selectedModel=Ka. Therefore, opinions not based in fact are just that, opinions. No automaker wants to make defeating stop-start too easy. My Honda Odyssey had a VCM system that shut off cylinders on the highway to save fuel. The Range Start/Stop Disabler prevents your vehicle from shutting off and restarting every time you come to a stop in traffic. CORONAVIRUS HELP GUIDES, INCLUDING TRAVEL, FINANCE AND BILLS HELP, HOW YOU CAN DONATE TO A FOODBANK OVER THE FESTIVE SEASON, STRUGGLING WITH DEBT? It is a gimmick for two reasons: 1) When a vehicle isn't running it produces no emissions, and 2) It uses no gas, which refers us back to reason 1. Hmm. Turns off engine then turns back on so I can turn it off again because I am parking. Well, maybe your dealer if any warranty work is needed. The content of this field is kept private and will not be shown publicly. If your Ford or GM vehicle has Auto Start/Stop, we have the solution! There are a variety of ways to turn off the auto stop-start system on your vehicle. Having a device that automatically switches it to off each time is fine so long as the switch is still intact and functioning. The screen of your Ford Ka remains lit when you drive at night, but this is sometimes annoying. The law seems pretty clear. By VIN. At least on my 2018 Ford F150 I have a switch to deactivate it but I have to select it every time I start up the engine. Step back and look at this and see how it may become law at some point, but is NOT law now. It is totally legal for manufacturers to sell cars without idle stop systems and it is totally legal for you to disable it. It would seem to me that if there is a possible Clean Air Act from turning off the system that the manufacturer is complicit by installing a temporary shut off. and I do not like this feature and would like to permanently disable it. We don't as a general policy investigate the solvency of companies mentioned (how likely they are to go bust), but there is a risk any company can struggle and it's rarely made public until it's too late (see the. Engine stops at every Stop sign only to restart half a second later when I go. 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